tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461028406488684699.post2825913471365157131..comments2023-07-28T05:17:56.507-07:00Comments on Moorfield Storey Blog: Collective rights: winning the battle, losing the war.Moorfield Storey Institutehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11847389834688255658noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461028406488684699.post-43643799221091887122014-01-08T19:25:10.970-08:002014-01-08T19:25:10.970-08:00If you're interested, you can just check out t...If you're interested, you can just check out the comments here for a good sampling (http://thoughtsonliberty.com/its-time-for-libertarians-to-embrace-identity-politics). I wrote on this topic last year and got a pretty whipping backlash. Gina Luttrellhttp://thoughtsonliberty.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461028406488684699.post-16035474247013608162014-01-06T13:00:47.569-08:002014-01-06T13:00:47.569-08:00I don't see a need to list a whole bunch of ex...I don't see a need to list a whole bunch of example and go after specific people, given that most libertarians have run into exactly the sort of arguments I mention here. They are common and I have a hard believing you don't understand. But a 2 second good search turns this up from a site calling itself "laissez faire republic." "Real libertarians know that there are only individual rights, not group rights. There is no such thing as "gay rights" or "black rights" or "white rights" or left-handed Martian rights. Government must not be used to dish out special privileges to any group for any reason, since government cannot give anyone anything unless it takes it away from others by force, thereby violating their rights. There can be no such thing as a "right" to violate the rights of others."<br /><br />Notice the semantic game is all that is stated there, there is no attempt to understand what people mean by those terms and deal with the meaning, there is only a literalistic interpretation according to a fundamentalist libertarian perspective. It is the libertarian telling others what they have to mean instead of trying to understand what they do mean. <br /><br />The reason this was posted today, though written long ago, was because a "libertarian" did precisely this on a page that we participate in, whining about how there is no such thing as woman's rights or gay rights and ignoring the mean so he could score points on semantics. <br />Moorfield Storey Institutehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11847389834688255658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461028406488684699.post-40539890256648838432014-01-06T11:59:50.193-08:002014-01-06T11:59:50.193-08:00You make some valid points, but I don't unders...You make some valid points, but I don't understand exactly what kinds of statements from libertarians you're arguing against. Can you link to some examples? Even better, can you explain what's wrong with each example? I ask because I'm not clear on which libertarians you're talking about.Brian Dixonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02243503053154933975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1461028406488684699.post-738116718755535692014-01-06T07:56:52.967-08:002014-01-06T07:56:52.967-08:00For a variety of reasons, I don't consider mys...For a variety of reasons, I don't consider myself a libertarian, but it's blog posts like this one, as well as others I've read here and elsewhere, that give me a lot of respect for the libertarian position.<br /><br />Thanks for writing this!Gabriel Conroyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17566193099628849226noreply@blogger.com